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Jun 14:01:30 Podz meetupbr / Jun 14:01:38 photomatt let's get started :)br / Jun 14:02:11 photomatt we can go longer todaybr / Jun 14:02:19 Pplproof I'm logging too, whee...br / Jun 14:03:15 ColdForged LOLbr / Jun 14:03:19 shorty114 roflbr / Jun 14:03:34 photomatt So let's start with the Wiki WGbr / Jun 14:03:44 photomatt the mailing list was created, discussion on it has startedbr / Jun 14:04:17 photomatt 13 people signed up for the listbr / Jun 14:04:32 photomatt we are not able to get the wikipress.com domainbr / Jun 14:04:43 mdawaffe .org?br / Jun 14:04:58 shorty114 .org is parkedbr / Jun 14:05:10 photomatt all taken by the same guy, I talked to himbr / Jun 14:05:19 photomatt he's donating them to wikipedia or somethingbr / Jun 14:05:25 -- h0bbel (h0bbel@213-187-177-58.dd.nextgentel.com) has joined #wordpress-meetupbr / Jun 14:05:40 shorty114 maybe come up with a new name?br / Jun 14:05:53 relle Is this to replace Codex in the future?br / Jun 14:05:56 shorty114 or wiki.press.combr / Jun 14:06:02 photomatt well we really only need a name if we're replacing dashikibr / Jun 14:06:10 photomatt now that dashiki works, there isn't as much reason tobr / Jun 14:06:11 relle Ah.br / Jun 14:06:21 photomatt shorty114: I think press.com is takenbr / Jun 14:06:35 -- JDigital (~jdigital@host81-153-146-75.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) has joined #wordpress-meetupbr / Jun 14:06:44 carthik If a blog is a press, a wiki could be a boardbr / Jun 14:06:53 shorty114 photomatt, comes up to a search/portal page...lemme check whoisbr / Jun 14:06:56 JDigital wordboardbr / Jun 14:07:07 Pplproof And this is why engineers don't participate in product naming... ;Pbr / Jun 14:07:09 relle If dashiki is working for us, are you still going to go ahead and reinvent the wiki wheel?br / Jun 14:07:10 shorty114 yeahbr / Jun 14:07:11 -- ||Podz (~Podz@82-71-7-36.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) has joined #wordpress-meetupbr / Jun 14:07:22 masq|coding shorty114: for such a broad domain, the owner would surely want hundreds if not thousands ;-)br / Jun 14:07:27 shorty114 yeahbr / Jun 14:07:28 shorty114 :)br / Jun 14:07:51 photomatt relle: nobr / Jun 14:08:17 shorty114 so is that matter settled?br / Jun 14:09:05 photomatt I think sobr / Jun 14:09:07 relle WordPress Extend Theme Viewer - status?br / Jun 14:09:19 photomatt the wiki-tech list can focus on making our wiki better within dashikibr / Jun 14:09:29 photomatt relle: it's running peachybr / Jun 14:09:37 relle great - just going down the list.br / Jun 14:09:50 relle Taking firas' place for shoving topics through ;-)br / Jun 14:09:56 masq|coding photomatt: how about theming the codex? make it fit in with everything elsebr / Jun 14:10:10 relle NEXT meeting!br / Jun 14:10:18 photomatt that's underway, I have a friend working on the new lookbr / Jun 14:10:21 -- Podz__ (~Podz@82-71-7-36.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) has joined #wordpress-meetupbr / Jun 14:10:23 relle Forum Support: Increasing Adsense advice being sought. Article for Codex needed - sign up?br / Jun 14:10:31 relle We have put it on the list and hopefully someone will sign up for it.br / Jun 14:10:41 photomatt I maintain that we should just close those threads and direct people at googlebr / Jun 14:10:48 Podz__ stupid netgear crap br / Jun 14:10:51 Podz__ I agree stillbr / Jun 14:10:52 relle The issue is more important than that.br / Jun 14:10:53 photomatt google is making BILLIONS of dollars from adsense, wth are we provided support?br / Jun 14:11:02 relle People need to know how to work around ads in WordPress.br / Jun 14:11:02 shorty114 i agree with mattbr / Jun 14:11:06 photomatt google has people better suitedbr / Jun 14:11:15 relle I've set the article tone so it addresses all ads, not specifics.br / Jun 14:11:21 Podz__ relle:: there are posts that can be searched forbr / Jun 14:11:24 photomatt yesbr / Jun 14:11:30 relle I know, but we need a writer to put it all togetherbr / Jun 14:11:41 photomatt I would strongly object to such an article on the codexbr / Jun 14:11:41 * relle peers at everyone and they turn away with guilty looks.br / Jun 14:11:52 relle Why? Ads on blogs is a problem?br / Jun 14:12:00 tunicwriter photomatt: then again, it's also that you make this product, support themes and template making, yet you don't support people putting adsense in when you support plugins on the forums?br / Jun 14:12:02 Podz__ support is.br / Jun 14:12:03 relle Not targeting Google.br / Jun 14:12:06 mdawaffe no - but an open source community profiting for google isbr / Jun 14:12:17 mdawaffe (or anyone)br / Jun 14:12:21 Podz__ I would object to anyone's ads. at all.br / Jun 14:12:29 relle This is not about google, it is about template files and slapping in javascripts and all into the WordPress template files.br / Jun 14:12:32 photomatt when/if we integrate a way for people to put ads on their blogs, then we'll support thatbr / Jun 14:12:37 stevecooley Don't quit your dab, you're sayingbr / Jun 14:12:47 relle Not about supporting any advertising per se, just how to get it into your WordPress site.br / Jun 14:12:59 tunicwriter photomatt: so if someone made a plugin to automate the process, you would support it then?br / Jun 14:13:09 masq|coding relle: point them at the theme development pages and close the threads is what I saybr / Jun 14:13:17 Podz__ the point is that we have WAY more non-wp posts at times. we must cut those down, and it's not like G is hard to find for help is it ?br / Jun 14:13:27 photomatt tunicwriter: possibly, the two plugins that were submitted to wp-plugins.org for that were spam/pornbr / Jun 14:14:03 photomatt Podz: good pointbr / Jun 14:14:07 relle The point is that I've asked for an article that deals with putting ads into your wordpress site, not to promote any advertisers, just to help people know how to work around the various tags.br / Jun 14:14:08 tunicwriter photomatt: it goes without saying that it would have to be legit... but why only support it when it's a plugin when so many people use adsense on their blogs?br / Jun 14:14:10 masq|coding putting adsense in is nothing short of copying and pasting some stuff that google gives you, there shouldn't be a need for support other than pointing to theme pages at the codexbr / Jun 14:14:14 photomatt if we put an article about it on the codex, people will expect support for itbr / Jun 14:14:23 stevecooley what about an advertisement network specifically for wordpress bloggers?br / Jun 14:14:25 JDigital 3 google adsbr / Jun 14:14:26 relle Simple, clearcut and helps all the many, many questions that are asked on the forum, whether we have an article or not.br / Jun 14:14:47 stevecooley bypass google altogetherbr / Jun 14:14:52 relle No, we can aim people from the forum to the article. This is how you include ads, if you need specifics, go see your ad vendor.br / Jun 14:14:52 carthik Yes, this is one of those things best dealt with by a non-codex site, which does occasional WordPress tips and tricks...br / Jun 14:14:53 JDigital It should only be a plugin, I thinkbr / Jun 14:15:10 photomatt also note that google has snubbed WP several times recentlybr / Jun 14:15:11 * Podz__ looks at Carthik :)br / Jun 14:15:22 photomatt adsense for feeds is a good examplebr / Jun 14:15:33 * mdawaffe shakes fist in airbr / Jun 14:15:38 photomatt hehbr / Jun 14:15:40 -- Podz has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))br / Jun 14:15:41 stevecooley so what about taking our audience away from them altogetherbr / Jun 14:15:47 relle I'm not talking about highlighting any specific advertiser.br / Jun 14:15:48 Podz__ carthik:: wordlog up for it ?br / Jun 14:15:48 carthik relle, if you already have a list of questions, that would be a beginning - since i can't see how adding ads is any different from customizing the way (other) content appears on a theme.br / Jun 14:15:55 photomatt that's a fine goal, but out of scope for this meetingbr / Jun 14:16:01 photomatt and certainly out of scope for the codexbr / Jun 14:16:15 stevecooley maybe we can talk about it more laterbr / Jun 14:16:15 shorty114 next itembr / Jun 14:16:18 stevecooley ?br / Jun 14:16:24 carthik Podz__, I am sort of tied up now, but could help with it. Could mail bloggingpro and wtc, you know.br / Jun 14:16:25 shorty114 Forum Support: Alternative forum(s) for non-WP support ?br / Jun 14:16:31 relle I don't see that adding ads and helping people Hanover about the template tags is any different from adding images or anything else to their site.br / Jun 14:16:36 Podz__ Is there mileage in a Gallery forum ?br / Jun 14:16:43 relle I need to know if I should take it off the to do list for the Clean up week.br / Jun 14:16:47 Podz__ wp+images forumbr / Jun 14:17:18 photomatt also http://workboxers.com/forum/ is dedicated to that sort of thingbr / Jun 14:17:26 photomatt we can point people there too, I'm sure they'd love the trafficbr / Jun 14:17:47 tunicwriter Or hate you for crashing their server because of bandwidth overload... either or ;Pbr / Jun 14:17:58 carthik relle, precisely -- so why does it warrant special attention, the same instructions for adding a custom block of code should do fine. One way to look at it is - that is the least amount of work the person has to put in to earn anything. Enough said.br / Jun 14:18:20 -- ||Podz has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))br / Jun 14:18:21 Podz__ carthik:: on the forum is already every question, and every answerbr / Jun 14:18:21 shorty114 heh tunicwriter br / Jun 14:18:35 Podz__ there are even answers to the flickeringbr / Jun 14:18:49 Podz__ users need to work for their adsense $ :)br / Jun 14:19:07 photomatt I switched wordpress.org from adsense to adbrite, it's been doing pretty wellbr / Jun 14:19:09 Podz__ and I hate seeing those posts taking places real wp problems should havebr / Jun 14:19:38 Podz__ the people who have trouble usually generate VERY long threadsbr / Jun 14:19:39 tunicwriter To the user, it is a real WP problem...br / Jun 14:19:48 relle # Forum: Increased search results ? Paged maybe ?br / Jun 14:19:50 carthik photomatt, good to know that. Let's root for the underdogs :)br / Jun 14:19:54 Podz__ no - it's a G-ad problembr / Jun 14:20:03 Podz__ they need to redo their helpbr / Jun 14:20:25 relle Next: # Forum: Increased search results ? Paged maybe ?br / Jun 14:20:49 photomatt two things about the searchbr / Jun 14:21:03 photomatt I don't think it would hurt to have a global search boxbr / Jun 14:21:11 photomatt that searches all of wordpress.org, including the codexbr / Jun 14:21:19 photomatt the google box did thatbr / Jun 14:21:25 relle But not pretty.br / Jun 14:21:33 photomatt they asked us to take it downbr / Jun 14:21:46 Podz__ so.. G don't support WP ? :)br / Jun 14:21:50 photomatt because the search box wasn't their recommended HTMLbr / Jun 14:21:58 relle http://guff.szub.net/wordpress/google.html is Kauf's cool search box for forum and codex.br / Jun 14:22:04 relle *Kaf'sbr / Jun 14:22:16 * mdawaffe points out that a recommendation is just that and shakes fist in airbr / Jun 14:22:38 carthik photomatt, is Divisor etc expensive? ( http://vivisimo.com/ )?br / Jun 14:23:11 photomatt I don't want to paint G badly, I just think we could find more supportive partnersbr / Jun 14:23:30 mdawaffe photomatt: how hard would a bbPress plugin that could search codex and forums at the same time be?br / Jun 14:23:32 photomatt I mean they have their own blogging service anyway, they don't have a lot of reason to support usbr / Jun 14:23:49 photomatt carthik: I'll look at itbr / Jun 14:23:50 -- tomhanna (~tomhanna@64.77.223.61) has joined #wordpress-meetupbr / Jun 14:24:09 photomatt so where we stand is... Google has the best site searchbr / Jun 14:24:15 tunicwriter You have to think about it from their perspective though... They offer solutions for search boxes on site, to everyone... that's the way they want it done. I'm sure you're not the only one that got asked to take your custom solution down...br / Jun 14:24:21 photomatt Yahoo's is about the same qualitybr / Jun 14:24:25 -- alexsmith has quit (Nick collision from services.)br / Jun 14:24:31 JDigital Yahoo uses Google search technology, right?br / Jun 14:24:35 -- her_Aubreyness has quit (Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.3/20050414])br / Jun 14:24:44 photomatt JDigital: not for a long time nowbr / Jun 14:24:53 tomhanna Not anymore.br / Jun 14:24:53 JDigital ohbr / Jun 14:25:08 JDigital this is what I get for not reading slashdotbr / Jun 14:25:21 photomatt http://search.yahoo.com/search?_adv_prop=webx=opei=UTF-8va=enable+sending+referrersva_vt=anyvp_vt=anyvo_vt=anyve_vt=anyvd=allvst=onvs=wordpress.orgvf=allvm=ifl=0n=10br / Jun 14:25:57 photomatt there are some dupes there, but that's actually our faultbr / Jun 14:26:02 Podz__ that looks okaybr / Jun 14:26:09 photomatt the RSS feeds are broken and we don't redirect old URLs to new ones all the timebr / Jun 14:26:42 photomatt I think in the short term, we can start sending people to yahoo search which searches all of wp.org and subdomains (including codex)br / Jun 14:27:00 photomatt moving forward, I would like to use their API to make it a more integrated experiencebr / Jun 14:27:04 relle Will it look like they are still on wordpress.org?br / Jun 14:27:12 relle kbr / Jun 14:27:25 photomatt their API is much more liberal than google's toobr / Jun 14:27:52 relle Ready for next?br / Jun 14:28:04 Podz__ tomhanna:: we've mentioned Google support on the forums - did you want to mention anything ?br / Jun 14:28:08 Podz__ hang on relebr / Jun 14:28:12 photomatt I'll chat with mdawaffe about some other things for bbpress laterbr / Jun 14:30:01 Podz__ tomhanna:: ?br / Jun 14:30:02 tomhanna Nothing on topic really, other than the idea of setting aside a spot in the forums for advice on integrating non-WP things (like Google products) into WPbr / Jun 14:30:51 Podz__ did we agree on a non-wp forum ? maybe that would suffice for what will be increasing issues ?br / Jun 14:31:19 photomatt existing forums, where possible, have more chance of helping peoplebr / Jun 14:31:22 photomatt hence the work boxers link abovebr / Jun 14:31:59 photomatt let's move on to the next topic thenbr / Jun 14:32:01 relle Dates and Times are messed up on the forum. Status?br / Jun 14:32:07 mdawaffe fixed?br / Jun 14:32:17 photomatt I'm pretty sure this was fixed a while agobr / Jun 14:32:24 Podz__ looks fine herebr / Jun 14:32:32 relle okay.br / Jun 14:32:34 relle Plugin Contest - Ends June 15 - status?br / Jun 14:32:53 mdawaffe ending.br / Jun 14:32:55 mdawaffe :)br / Jun 14:33:06 relle How many plugins submitted? Anyone know? For the record?br / Jun 14:34:15 shorty114 ~30 i believe, at least according to blogbr / Jun 14:34:19 relle cool.br / Jun 14:34:23 relle * Can we have a subchair so meeting can continue with or without Matt to help make team decisions?br / Jun 14:34:50 relle Is this even possible?br / Jun 14:35:17 -- carthik has quit (Connection timed out)br / Jun 14:35:21 mdawaffe not to give matt a big head, but it seems not worthwhile without him 'here'br / Jun 14:35:56 mdawaffe unless it's a very specific question at handbr / Jun 14:36:13 shorty114 yeah i agreebr / Jun 14:36:18 photomatt I suppose next week can be an experiment, I probably can't make itbr / Jun 14:36:51 mdawaffe i suppose we can make recommendations, etc. to be collated and discussed the following weekbr / Jun 14:37:16 relle Matt, you still rule the world so you could still have the final say on anything the group comes up with.br / Jun 14:37:19 relle ;-)br / Jun 14:38:03 photomatt okay, moving on... ;)br / Jun 14:38:14 photomatt checked in some really cool stuff for 1.6 this weekbr / Jun 14:38:18 relle Which brings up the subject of the keys to the kingdom.br / Jun 14:38:35 relle If you aren't going to be here next week, and we have the cleanup going, what if the codex or forum goes down again?br / Jun 14:38:47 relle Who will be monitoring these while you're at the conference?br / Jun 14:38:49 relle Just curious.br / Jun 14:39:09 photomatt different people, they are not centrally hosted, it's all distributedbr / Jun 14:39:25 photomatt I get a message on my cell phone if anything goes downbr / Jun 14:39:44 mdawaffe I always thought you had a chip in your headbr / Jun 14:39:47 Podz__ do we have someone we can hit with emails ?br / Jun 14:39:53 mdawaffe cell phones are so passebr / Jun 14:40:07 photomatt you can contact textdrive if there's anything wrong with wordpress.orgbr / Jun 14:40:21 Podz__ support@ ?br / Jun 14:40:27 photomatt I'll also be checking me email, it's not like I'm unpluggingbr / Jun 14:41:57 photomatt *mybr / Jun 14:42:36 Podz__ so we send to textdrive for the forums .. what about codex ? Does someone else contact you ?br / Jun 14:43:14 photomatt I get an automated messagebr / Jun 14:43:35 photomatt I have SSH on my treo, I can fix most anything from anywhere, or call someone who canbr / Jun 14:44:00 relle Okay, but it would be nice to know there is a backup, just in case you meet up with the wrong side of a passing car.br / Jun 14:44:02 relle not that that will happen.br / Jun 14:44:07 relle :-)br / Jun 14:44:24 relle Hope you have a great time at the conference.br / Jun 14:44:25 photomatt in the event of a unexpected cessation of my existence, I have a private system set up so everything is handledbr / Jun 14:44:30 mdawaffe or in case someone from google or MT takes you out ;)br / Jun 14:44:37 shorty114 lolbr / Jun 14:44:40 photomatt yep, I better stop talking smackbr / Jun 14:44:48 relle Next: Status of 1.5.2/1.6br / Jun 14:44:52 Podz__ ( can I ask that not a lot gets said about 1.6 ? There WILL be people downloading it and then crying )br / Jun 14:45:02 photomatt http://flickr.com/photos/laughingsquid/19529411/br / Jun 14:45:15 photomatt Podz__: I named the version just for youbr / Jun 14:45:41 photomatt 1.6 has a new user systembr / Jun 14:45:59 photomatt which means all extra data about a user is stored in something a lot like custom fieldsbr / Jun 14:46:21 photomatt to help podz out, let's not blog about 1.6 or hype it outside of these meeting's until it's at least betabr / Jun 14:46:34 photomatt the posting interface has also been redonebr / Jun 14:46:40 photomatt combined the simple and advanced screensbr / Jun 14:46:42 photomatt made it customizablebr / Jun 14:46:45 stevecooley what's the expected pain level of transition to the new system?br / Jun 14:46:48 photomatt and added drag-n-drop for all the elementsbr / Jun 14:46:56 Podz__ it's not to help me out :) I'll be very curt to any and all support requestsbr / Jun 14:47:03 ColdForged !br / Jun 14:47:07 photomatt stevecooley: it's a normal upgrade, just run upgrade.phpbr / Jun 14:47:22 stevecooley great, thank you :)br / Jun 14:47:24 Podz__ ColdForged:: I was with 1.5 for a long timebr / Jun 14:47:43 -- alexsmith (haunteduni@HauntedUnix-student-pdpc.sourcemage) has joined #wordpress-meetupbr / Jun 14:48:02 relle sounds awesome.br / Jun 14:48:13 h0bbel photomatt: ok. i'll not say anything then.... my site runs on 1.6 :)br / Jun 14:48:33 Podz__ It's not the coders that will post for requests - you all know who willbr / Jun 14:48:58 * mdawaffe amenably resists naming namesbr / Jun 14:49:02 relle Anything more on 1.6?br / Jun 14:49:09 photomatt there's still a lot left to dobr / Jun 14:49:15 masq|coding the coders don't request features, they submit patches ;-)br / Jun 14:49:18 photomatt epically with the import/export stuffbr / Jun 14:49:54 photomatt when that is done and polished, that's when the release will happenbr / Jun 14:50:15 Podz__ the thing is too that the BLT people chi can support must be running it, and if those of us in the forum are not, they will be stuffed and that means they just yell harderbr / Jun 14:50:37 relle Will the release be planned with the release of the new logo and a bunch of fan fare?br / Jun 14:50:49 photomatt there's always a bunch of fan farebr / Jun 14:50:59 mdawaffe Podz__: I think there's nothing that can be done about that, at least, I'm not clever enough to think of anything.br / Jun 14:51:07 mdawaffe support only full releasesbr / Jun 14:51:24 Podz__ yep - hopefully svn retains it's mystery :)br / Jun 14:51:28 photomatt the new look for the website will probably launch before 1.6 doesbr / Jun 14:51:30 mdawaffe :)br / Jun 14:52:01 relle and that is about.....when? Give or take or toss relle out the door kinda answer?br / Jun 14:52:14 photomatt hard to say right nowbr / Jun 14:52:22 h0bbel when it's done (tm)br / Jun 14:52:41 relle Still targeting middle of July or later? Just trying to make other plans for forum and codex so it doesn't interfere.br / Jun 14:52:51 Podz__ My money is on 2006 for 1.6 :)br / Jun 14:53:03 Podz__ has a ring to itbr / Jun 14:53:22 ColdForged re 1.6: any room for adding stuff from my enhanced views code? Or is it moot point with the existing enhancements?br / Jun 14:53:30 photomatt it will be later than julybr / Jun 14:53:40 relle Okay. That helps us with our planning. Thanks.br / Jun 14:53:42 JDigital In 1.6 I would like to see improved Page support.br / Jun 14:53:52 tunicwriter Podz__: How about 2.6? :Pbr / Jun 14:53:57 stevecooley me too, we love pagesbr / Jun 14:54:02 relle He's trying for 6-6-6br / Jun 14:54:12 Podz__ WP4.0 - beat MT then :)br / Jun 14:54:26 photomatt I have no idea what enhanced views are, it'd be best to file a bug describing itbr / Jun 14:54:33 ColdForged (FYI this is what I'm referring to): http://www.coldforged.org/archives/2005/04/20/an-update-on-the-enhanced-views-code/br / Jun 14:54:46 JDigital You can't do everything with Pages that you can with regular postsbr / Jun 14:54:46 ColdForged relle's been asking for it forever :)br / Jun 14:54:49 relle Oh, photomatt, it's every serious users dream come true interface for Manage Posts.br / Jun 14:55:01 relle Sort by category, author, date, everything.br / Jun 14:55:05 relle DREAM DREAM DREAM.br / Jun 14:55:15 photomatt sounds nice then :)br / Jun 14:55:23 Podz__ is it ? :)br / Jun 14:55:36 tunicwriter And lonely little me just wanting Save and Continue Editing for pages ;Pbr / Jun 14:55:37 relle Spend up interface time with WP by....a LOT. Sorting posts by category is incredible.br / Jun 14:55:43 * Podz__ will probably not move from this versionbr / Jun 14:56:17 photomatt I think most users will like most the new spam stuff, better post screen, and the easytags systembr / Jun 14:56:20 relle Search the forum and you'll see plenty of my bragging (and others) about this plugin.br / Jun 14:56:29 relle Cool. Ready for next?br / Jun 14:56:33 photomatt Podz__: don't make up your mind just yetbr / Jun 14:57:03 Podz__ Oh I haven't ... but put wysiwyg in there and I'll remove it :)br / Jun 14:57:09 relle Me, too.br / Jun 14:57:20 photomatt I'm not going to put in a wysiwyg I wouldn't use myselfbr / Jun 14:57:20 ColdForged hehbr / Jun 14:57:21 relle To a point. Depends.br / Jun 14:57:24 photomatt and I'm a hardcore hand-coderbr / Jun 14:57:33 relle NEXT: * Development Blog RSS brokebr / Jun 14:57:35 relle me, too.br / Jun 14:57:38 Podz__ And if you have a f***** paper clip I'll trash my site :)br / Jun 14:57:44 mdawaffe hahahabr / Jun 14:57:53 tunicwriter Podz__: what about that cute puppy?br / Jun 14:57:58 Podz__ NOOOOOObr / Jun 14:57:58 mdawaffe Pressy the WordPress guide!br / Jun 14:58:04 Podz__ NOOOObr / Jun 14:58:05 shorty114 hahabr / Jun 14:58:06 * ColdForged groansbr / Jun 14:58:09 stevecooley Hi, it looks like you're trying to sort your pages! Do you need help with that?br / Jun 14:58:13 relle Development blog RSS is broken!!br / Jun 14:58:17 * ColdForged GROANSbr / Jun 14:58:19 relle Any fixes in sight?br / Jun 14:58:44 shorty114 according to ryanduff (the other day), it's to do with the RSS hooks that were recently added?br / Jun 14:58:49 shorty114 namely rss_head?br / Jun 14:59:34 shorty114 that's what he said - i don't know myselfbr / Jun 14:59:36 photomatt I can't find what's causing the prob with the dev blogbr / Jun 14:59:48 relle Dashboard is borked because of it on people's sites and complaints are coming into the forum.br / Jun 14:59:50 photomatt I'll work on it more this eveningbr / Jun 14:59:52 relle and the IRCbr / Jun 14:59:54 photomatt I understand thatbr / Jun 14:59:58 relle kbr / Jun 15:00:09 relle NEXT: Backup Week date picked: (1)July 9-16 - (2)July 16-23 - (3)July 23-30br / Jun 15:00:21 shorty114 Backup Week?br / Jun 15:00:29 relle Podz is working on articles for backing up WP and we're going to have a big celebration and publicity push for this.br / Jun 15:00:32 relle Connecting forum and codex.br / Jun 15:00:43 relle Been working on it for ages and we need to pick a week for the publicity push.br / Jun 15:01:02 relle Will need alp on the forums and publicity on people's blogs that this is WordPress Backup Week.br / Jun 15:01:07 shorty114 uh, sure.br / Jun 15:01:07 relle *helpbr / Jun 15:01:19 relle Podz__: want to say more?br / Jun 15:01:27 Podz__ err......no :)br / Jun 15:01:38 Podz__ I'm writing the guidesbr / Jun 15:01:49 relle Okay, voting will happen. Pick a number 1, 2,3 to match dates and that's when it is, with podz as final say.br / Jun 15:01:51 relle Gobr / Jun 15:01:53 relle votebr / Jun 15:01:53 Podz__ it's a lot trickier than I figured so a yell for help will go outbr / Jun 15:02:12 shorty114 *silence*br / Jun 15:03:02 tunicwriter 2 - It covers my b-day... I'll be happierbr / Jun 15:03:03 relle The goal is to raise awareness of WordPress and help people backup and protect their precious blogs.br / Jun 15:03:17 relle Anyone else have an opinion?br / Jun 15:03:25 shorty114 database backups?br / Jun 15:03:32 relle everything Bacardi.br / Jun 15:03:36 relle Files, database, all WP stuff.br / Jun 15:03:47 relle how to for all different systems.br / Jun 15:04:03 Podz__ ^^ thats the tricky bit br / Jun 15:04:08 relle I know.br / Jun 15:04:12 relle But I believe.br / Jun 15:04:29 shorty114 hmm reminds me, i should put a cron job to backup database/filesbr / Jun 15:04:34 relle Well, matt, any opinion on dates?br / Jun 15:04:46 relle see, one convert already. ;-)br / Jun 15:05:17 relle photomatt?br / Jun 15:05:20 shorty114 nah, too much work.br / Jun 15:05:48 photomatt I don't really have an opinionbr / Jun 15:06:00 relle Okay, podz and the others working on this will set the date and make it a go.br / Jun 15:06:03 relle NEXT: Future contests coming up? Is there a guideline or advice area for people who want to start new contests?br / Jun 15:06:05 Podz__ there will be ways other than what I write, and I expect the holier_than_thou brigade to descend, but what the hell :)br / Jun 15:06:20 ColdForged holier_than_thou brigadebr / Jun 15:06:33 ColdForged delightfulbr / Jun 15:06:38 photomatt that sounds like fun, can I join?br / Jun 15:06:49 relle absolutely.br / Jun 15:07:06 Podz__ the ones who say there are better ways but never help positively. There are several and it does get boringbr / Jun 15:07:19 relle photomatt: any word on any more up and coming contests?br / Jun 15:07:26 photomatt none that I know ofbr / Jun 15:07:53 mdawaffe shorty114: (and Podz__ ) I use this w/ cron: http://sourceforge.net/projects/automysqlbackup/br / Jun 15:08:15 mdawaffe And I think I tweaked it to do my template too.... (hm... may be not)br / Jun 15:08:31 ColdForged Best Use Of Kubrick In A Blog About Kittensbr / Jun 15:08:44 * ColdForged hushes nowbr / Jun 15:08:51 mdawaffe ColdForged: I am totally submitting a entry to thatbr / Jun 15:10:39 Podz__ mdawaffe:: looks complex ! I shall read through .. maybe a use for gmail yet :)br / Jun 15:10:40 mdawaffe next?br / Jun 15:10:46 mdawaffe Podz__: :)br / Jun 15:12:59 -- relle has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))br / Jun 15:13:08 -- relle (~relle@pcp01286886pcs.hurtl301.al.comcast.net) has joined #WordPress-Meetupbr / Jun 15:13:22 relle sorrybr / Jun 15:13:33 shorty114 you didn't miss anythingbr / Jun 15:13:37 relle goodbr / Jun 15:14:17 mdawaffe Codex Cleanup Volunteersbr / Jun 15:14:33 relle thank you. We have about 16 people and more coming signed up.br / Jun 15:14:35 relle Very exciting.br / Jun 15:14:41 mdawaffe awesomebr / Jun 15:14:49 relle People are working on projects already and we have had about four new articles in the past few days.br / Jun 15:14:51 tunicwriter Codex Cleanup ?br / Jun 15:14:51 relle And more on their way.br / Jun 15:15:01 relle Assignments given out and other people taking on tasks.br / Jun 15:15:03 relle Very exciting.br / Jun 15:15:17 photomatt is it working?br / Jun 15:15:20 relle Absolutely.br / Jun 15:15:30 relle People are taking direction and really getting involved.br / Jun 15:15:37 relle The list of specific things that need to be done is helping a lot.br / Jun 15:15:49 relle People not wandering around not knowing what to do.br / Jun 15:16:01 relle We've got a few things done before the cleanup has actually started.br / Jun 15:16:11 relle Some very jazzed folks who are thrilled to be helping.br / Jun 15:16:29 relle We have jobs for the total newbie to WP and MediaWiki to help sucker them in, and harder ones FOR THE REST OF YOU.br / Jun 15:16:50 relle Thanks to everyone who posted a note about this on your blogs and such to help publicize it.br / Jun 15:16:58 * shorty114 sleeps on his keyboardbr / Jun 15:17:03 relle We're getting a lot of folks who want to help on the forums but aren't confident enough.br / Jun 15:17:04 relle Very exciting.br / Jun 15:17:51 relle On that subject, MichaelH and others worked over time on the new WordPress FAQ and we seriously need some experts to look those over and make sure they are all referring to 1.5 and not 1.2br / Jun 15:18:00 relle He brought stuff over from the old wiki and all over.br / Jun 15:18:06 relle http://codex.wordpress.org/FAQbr / Jun 15:18:09 relle It's a work of art.br / Jun 15:18:30 relle Though he continues to request that we get a class CSS on the FAQ table of contents to shift them from right float to left.br / Jun 15:18:34 relle Others are whining too.br / Jun 15:18:47 relle The TOC is too wide for float right so we want it at the top of the screen.br / Jun 15:18:58 relle Codex is really looking awesome.br / Jun 15:19:01 tunicwriter Like the main page?br / Jun 15:19:06 photomatt awesomebr / Jun 15:19:08 relle Lots of good positive responses.br / Jun 15:19:40 relle So that's it.br / Jun 15:20:08 mdawaffe Codex Development Articles Wantedbr / Jun 15:20:45 relle We need some articles that deal with the serious topics, but in particular we have some empty links in the Development section of the Codex. But no notes on who put them there or if an article is forthcoming.br / Jun 15:20:47 relle forthcoming.br / Jun 15:20:57 relle Nerds Wanted ;-)br / Jun 15:21:03 relle Geeks wanted ;-)br / Jun 15:21:18 mdawaffe If there's no article already, there's not one comingbr / Jun 15:21:22 mdawaffe I'd say ping the hackers listbr / Jun 15:21:39 masquerade relle, if you prod me next week, I'll write some articles for you, but someone has to kick me to get me to do itbr / Jun 15:21:43 relle That's what I say. And I did with the cleanup list. Would those on the hackers list pinch hit for me.br / Jun 15:21:50 * mdawaffe kicks masquerade br / Jun 15:21:55 * relle kicks masquerade into next week today.br / Jun 15:22:00 masquerade mdawaffe, _NEXT WEEK_br / Jun 15:22:02 tunicwriter I'd like to see a better, solid, centralized plugin development article... Instead of 3, and links to skippy's user page...br / Jun 15:22:06 masquerade kick me next weekbr / Jun 15:22:10 * mdawaffe sets up cron jobbr / Jun 15:22:24 relle Then fix it, tunicwriter.br / Jun 15:22:26 relle ;-)br / Jun 15:22:44 tunicwriter Haaaaaaaaahahahahah... If I only knew plugin dev. like the back of my hand ;Pbr / Jun 15:23:17 relle We're really close to filling some serious holes in the rest of the documentation, but development issues are still lacking. There's a list on the Task List. We all want to break a little for the summer, thus the push.br / Jun 15:23:42 relle Okay, that's it on the Codex.br / Jun 15:23:49 relle Anything to cover for next week'br / Jun 15:24:17 relle agenda.br / Jun 15:24:17 relle Are we going to meet or not without photomatt?br / Jun 15:24:17 shorty114 \br / Jun 15:24:43 * mdawaffe won't be here anyway, so won't inputbr / Jun 15:25:38 Podz__ I'll be here :)br / Jun 15:25:44 relle Me, too.br / Jun 15:25:48 relle Can report on cleanup.br / Jun 15:25:59 tunicwriter I see no problem with it unless Matt does. Obviously we can't make any real decisions, but we can ablest have a general consensus on the issues ready for him when he gets backbr / Jun 15:26:01 relle People do read these notes.br / Jun 15:27:20 relle Okay, sold. We meet next week as usual.br / Jun 15:27:27 --- You are now known as Ppl|Workingbr / Jun 15:27:29 relle So anything else?br / Jun 15:28:09 photomatt not that I can think ofbr / Jun 15:28:19 photomatt I think we should have a setup WP for a friend week as wellbr / Jun 15:28:22 relle Some very exciting stuff happening.br / Jun 15:28:28 relle Thanks for all the effort, folks.br / Jun 15:28:31 photomatt (though that should be every week) ;)br / Jun 15:28:37 relle Oh, that's brilliant!br / Jun 15:28:41 stevecooley omg, that's like every other day for me!br / Jun 15:28:44 tunicwriter I did it the other day! :obr / Jun 15:28:52 Podz__ likewisebr / Jun 15:29:04 tunicwriter So it is every week... ;Pbr / Jun 15:29:07 relle Is there someone here who wants to coordinate it? I'll help.br / Jun 15:29:14 mdawaffe No fair Podz__ , you do it like two times a daybr / Jun 15:29:20 stevecooley I have about a dozen blogs at work that I helped set up or influence to use wpbr / Jun 15:29:29 Podz__ my record is 5 for 5 diff peoplebr / Jun 15:29:36 mdawaffe :)br / Jun 15:29:39 photomatt :)br / Jun 15:29:48 stevecooley then there's outside of work...br / Jun 15:29:49 Podz__ but I've only downloaded the once !br / Jun 15:29:55 mdawaffe photomatt: can we make this a pissing contest?br / Jun 15:30:01 Podz__ lolbr / Jun 15:30:05 relle So, looking for someone to coordinate the effort to promote and write, and honk about Setting Up WordPress for a Friend project.br / Jun 15:31:12 relle Any ideas on who you know who would be good to lead this, photomatt? Since everyone here seems to shut up when a responsibility issue is raised. :-Pbr / Jun 15:31:57 tomhanna What's the idea? Just to promote a certain time frame as the week?br / Jun 15:32:04 relle yep.br / Jun 15:32:14 photomatt well I actually have a larger planbr / Jun 15:32:23 photomatt I'd like to have a microformat for saying this person set up WP for mebr / Jun 15:32:31 relle Beautiful.br / Jun 15:32:32 tomhanna Or do you want to actually coordinate a little more, like actually have extra support available for the supporters?br / Jun 15:32:37 photomatt so people who got set up by Podz would link back to him with a special tagbr / Jun 15:32:39 stevecooley I can provide some testimonials about my experience setting up wp for friendsbr / Jun 15:32:48 relle This could be huge.br / Jun 15:32:50 relle I love it.br / Jun 15:32:55 photomatt and then we can aggregate thatbr / Jun 15:33:07 stevecooley ah, a leaderboardbr / Jun 15:33:09 stevecooley ;)br / Jun 15:33:09 mdawaffe photomatt: awesome. this really IS a pissing contest!br / Jun 15:33:10 photomatt it'd reward people, and would be hard to gamebr / Jun 15:33:17 Podz__ I wish I could remember ! be neat to tag each one thoughbr / Jun 15:33:24 stevecooley hahabr / Jun 15:33:34 relle like a contest?br / Jun 15:33:36 tomhanna A contest?br / Jun 15:33:46 stevecooley the NEXT contest emerges!br / Jun 15:33:54 photomatt no it wouldn't be a contest, as much as a running tallybr / Jun 15:34:04 relle that would lead to a contest....?br / Jun 15:34:11 mdawaffe not so much a contest as a PISSING contest!br / Jun 15:34:17 stevecooley lolbr / Jun 15:34:20 * mdawaffe chuckles to himself and stops bothering peoplebr / Jun 15:34:25 relle fixing.br / Jun 15:34:38 photomatt the contest prizes would be the same thing I'm trying to get for people who already help out a lot with WPbr / Jun 15:34:40 photomatt free schwag!br / Jun 15:34:48 mdawaffe ding!br / Jun 15:35:12 mdawaffe or one free copy of WordPress!br / Jun 15:35:25 relle Okay, so this involves a special tag to include in the footer, or somewhere, right?br / Jun 15:35:27 relle A plugin?br / Jun 15:35:45 tomhanna In the header.br / Jun 15:35:49 relle And a place for people to sign up and get registered as a WordPress helper?br / Jun 15:35:53 photomatt it would be a rel value on a normal linkbr / Jun 15:35:56 relle So their info would go in the tag?br / Jun 15:36:07 photomatt just like we have rel=met friendbr / Jun 15:36:14 relle okay.br / Jun 15:36:15 photomatt there would be a word that says setup wordpress for mebr / Jun 15:36:23 photomatt blogpimp or something ;)br / Jun 15:36:38 relle Do you have a deadline in mind for when?br / Jun 15:36:38 photomatt I cant think of a good word for itbr / Jun 15:36:42 photomatt nobr / Jun 15:36:45 relle bloghelperbr / Jun 15:36:48 tomhanna wordpresserbr / Jun 15:36:53 relle love it!br / Jun 15:37:01 photomatt until we have a good noun for it, I can't write the microformatbr / Jun 15:37:03 mdawaffe photomatt: that's highly suggestive of the reverse relationship... ;)br / Jun 15:37:03 relle Official WordPresser.br / Jun 15:37:10 Podz__ blogpimp is available :)br / Jun 15:37:30 photomatt well if possible I'd like to avoid terms with sexual connotationsbr / Jun 15:37:33 stevecooley wordpress smithbr / Jun 15:37:46 relle Hi, I'm an Official WordPressersmith.br / Jun 15:37:48 stevecooley like a blacksmithbr / Jun 15:38:00 h0bbel Wordpriestbr / Jun 15:38:00 relle An apprentice wordpressersmith.br / Jun 15:38:01 Podz__ .....gave me 5 minutes!br / Jun 15:38:10 photomatt wordpress-smith could be a rel valuebr / Jun 15:38:18 h0bbel This Wordpriest has xx convertsbr / Jun 15:38:29 photomatt so could wordpresser, but that seems like it would describe someone using WP as wellbr / Jun 15:38:41 relle wordpress-smith....grows on you.br / Jun 15:38:43 photomatt wordpriest? ha!br / Jun 15:38:46 tomhanna pressbuilderbr / Jun 15:38:51 stevecooley that's good toobr / Jun 15:38:51 relle wordpress-gurubr / Jun 15:38:57 Podz__ MT-squasher ?br / Jun 15:39:02 Podz__ :)br / Jun 15:39:16 mdawaffe wpfu-masterbr / Jun 15:39:21 stevecooley wordpressisanbr / Jun 15:39:28 relle I think it should have the name wordpress in it, whatever you choose.br / Jun 15:39:38 stevecooley like an artisanbr / Jun 15:39:51 relle wordpress-builderbr / Jun 15:39:56 relle That covers most of the bases.br / Jun 15:39:58 Podz__ or a Guildbr / Jun 15:40:08 relle or UNION!br / Jun 15:40:09 Podz__ Pratchett !br / Jun 15:40:10 * relle ducks.br / Jun 15:40:19 relle YEAH PRATCHETT!!!!br / Jun 15:40:24 mdawaffe incunabulistbr / Jun 15:40:40 stevecooley what about something like johnny appleseedbr / Jun 15:40:51 stevecooley something along those linesbr / Jun 15:40:54 mdawaffe http://www.answers.com/incunabulabr / Jun 15:40:55 relle so photomatt, with the name for the rel= what else is needed?br / Jun 15:41:02 h0bbel Wordpriest - And you could have a list of priests and a count of their parish :)br / Jun 15:41:16 relle We need an article on the codex to explain... and a place to display the tally...?br / Jun 15:42:07 tomhanna a place with a feed?br / Jun 15:42:58 stevecooley wordpress growerbr / Jun 15:43:02 stevecooley growteambr / Jun 15:43:08 photomatt relle: after that I can handle the restbr / Jun 15:43:12 relle And it would be nice to time this just after the 1.6 release so people who have wordpress could help others get the new version going and spread the wealth.br / Jun 15:43:25 photomatt it would be attached to forum profilesbr / Jun 15:43:25 relle I know but tally on the forum or a particular site?br / Jun 15:43:29 relle Ah.br / Jun 15:43:31 relle OH.br / Jun 15:43:33 relle hmmmm.br / Jun 15:43:54 * relle thinks, she lives far from humans...how could she get a star after her name on the forum...hmmmm.br / Jun 15:44:21 Podz__ by installing for anyone anywherebr / Jun 15:44:31 h0bbel wordwhore! :)br / Jun 15:44:32 relle Ah, virtual pleading: take pity on relle.br / Jun 15:44:57 relle What about multiple help, photomatt? Could there be more than one helper?br / Jun 15:45:55 -- shorty114 (~shorty114@shorty114.user) has left #wordpress-meetup (PARTy Time!)br / Jun 15:47:55 photomatt surebr / Jun 15:48:01 relle This is slick.br / Jun 15:48:09 photomatt it would also encourage links to helpersbr / Jun 15:48:12 tomhanna should get the companies on the hosting page involved in promoting The Week, if possiblebr / Jun 15:48:16 photomatt hopefully getting them more fame and fortunebr / Jun 15:48:18 Podz__ it's game-able thoughbr / Jun 15:48:32 photomatt Podz__: how?br / Jun 15:48:44 relle tomhanna: brilliant.br / Jun 15:48:53 relle We should get their help with the backups, too.br / Jun 15:48:55 photomatt tomhanna: good ideabr / Jun 15:48:57 relle for backup week.br / Jun 15:48:58 Podz__ idiot asks all his mates to drop the tag into any pagebr / Jun 15:49:11 Podz__ 10 pages ..10 tagsbr / Jun 15:49:24 photomatt Podz__: it bases off domainbr / Jun 15:49:38 relle 10 domains = 10 tags.br / Jun 15:49:38 photomatt and is also not valid unless that's the same domain the person has in their forum profilebr / Jun 15:49:50 Podz__ cool ! br / Jun 15:50:19 Podz__ that makes sense - just need to get people to reg at the forumsbr / Jun 15:50:24 photomatt also if we saw someone shoot to the top and then looked at their blogs and saw they were all the same thing, we could correct thatbr / Jun 15:50:49 relle Ah. So we also will need a wordwhore inspector.br / Jun 15:50:54 relle or three.br / Jun 15:50:56 relle ;-)br / Jun 15:50:58 Podz__ I would think sobr / Jun 15:51:05 Podz__ just to be sure :)br / Jun 15:51:05 photomatt heh, I know I'll be watching the top 25 or sobr / Jun 15:51:43 relle podz will rocket to the top fast, so he'll have to be wordwhore inspected frequently.br / Jun 15:51:45 relle :Pbr / Jun 15:51:45 * tunicwriter wants to be in the Top 25 just so Matt watches his blog :obr / Jun 15:51:47 mdawaffe I'll let my bookie know about itbr / Jun 15:52:24 photomatt we should watch that podz fellow anyway, I think he's trouble ;)br / Jun 15:52:40 relle So photomatt, it's getting late. Week after next you'll have some plan in mind and a date so we can start whoring the news on a schedule? Sound like a plan?br / Jun 15:52:42 relle You think?br / Jun 15:52:44 Podz__ lol - I'll certainly shoot for the headstart :)br / Jun 15:52:51 relle Gees, your slow, the rest of us knew this a long time ago.br / Jun 15:53:16 mdawaffe relle: date for what?br / Jun 15:53:27 relle Setup a Friend Week.br / Jun 15:53:34 * relle slaps mdawaffe awake.br / Jun 15:53:55 photomatt could people add their ideas for the keyword to http://codex.wordpress.org/index.php?title=User:Matt/Rel_Ideasaction=editbr / Jun 15:54:13 * mdawaffe is awake nowbr / Jun 15:54:17 photomatt whoops, http://codex.wordpress.org/User:Matt/Rel_Ideasbr / Jun 15:54:23 relle Thanks.br / Jun 15:54:35 relle Sounds like a great plan.br / Jun 15:54:52 relle Anything else on the list of things to talk about?br / Jun 15:54:52 mdawaffe 'Setup a Friend Week', though, sounds a bit... blind dateybr / Jun 15:55:04 relle Setup WordPress for a Friend Week.br / Jun 15:55:09 Podz__ Install a Friend ?br / Jun 15:55:20 relle Plugin a Friend.br / Jun 15:55:27 Podz__ oooooooooohbr / Jun 15:55:29 tunicwriter Theme a Friendbr / Jun 15:55:38 mdawaffe Promote the Cultbr / Jun 15:55:43 relle Press a Friend into WordPressbr / Jun 15:55:43 mdawaffe ;)br / Jun 15:55:44 tunicwriter It's like Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, just for Wordpress :obr / Jun 15:55:56 tunicwriter Theme a Friend, that is...br / Jun 15:56:31 photomatt I like the plugin a friend idea :)br / Jun 15:56:32 relle I think we should add our recommendations to the new page Matt set up with the horrid title.br / Jun 15:56:42 photomatt :)br / Jun 15:57:15 relle Anything else on the agenda or for us to think about next week?br / Jun 15:57:23 relle Some of us have to pee once in a while. ;-)br / Jun 15:57:28 stevecooley go enter your ideas for the keywordbr / Jun 15:58:23 relle Have a great time at the conference, photomatt and come back with a lot of neat news and info for everyone.br / Jun 15:58:36 tunicwriter And free schwag...br / Jun 15:58:38 relle We'll do our best to keep the WordPress ship on track.br / Jun 15:58:45 relle or tact, whichever works for you.br / Jun 15:58:54 relle :-)br / Jun 15:59:03 stevecooley course, maybe :)br / Jun 15:59:04 tunicwriter A ship on tracks? :obr / Jun 15:59:06 Podz__ wp stickers!br / Jun 15:59:08 stevecooley :Dbr / Jun 15:59:17 relle sticker podz's!!!!br / Jun 15:59:17 --- ColdForged is now known as ColdForged|homebr / Jun 15:59:34 tunicwriter Let's push it off the track and into the water... maybe that'll help.br / Jun 15:59:50 relle Matt, declare this meeting over so we can all pee and the rugrats can take over their silliness.br / Jun 15:59:58 tunicwriter SILLY!br / Jun 16:00:05 stevecooley waaait for itbr / Jun 16:00:09 --- h0bbel is now known as h0bbel|zzZbr / Jun 16:00:39 relle photomatt? bang the gavel!br / Jun 16:01:00 --- mdawaffe is now known as photowaffebr / Jun 16:01:03 photowaffe /meetupbr / Jun 16:01:07 relle thank you!br / Jun 16:01:08 --- photowaffe is now known as mdawaffebr / Jun 16:01:17 tunicwriter clever ;Pbr / Jun 16:01:28 relle Nothing like a little organization by committee.br /


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